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exactly winning immunities is part of the game but i felt like xtina never had a real impact on the vote in any meaningful way. she set up herself as the "other" way too early on and that meant no one worked with her for the rest of the game. not very interesting.
I think each of the four of them played really different games (I'm assuming Ryan's gonna win the challenge, lol) so it's gonna be interesting to see what each of them say. But yeah, xtina played ONE part of the game really well, but I also have mad respect for a good social/strategic game too which I feel she kind of lacked
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Patrick wrote:
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exactly winning immunities is part of the game but i felt like xtina never had a real impact on the vote in any meaningful way. she set up herself as the "other" way too early on and that meant no one worked with her for the rest of the game. not very interesting.
I think each of the four of them played really different games (I'm assuming Ryan's gonna win the challenge, lol) so it's gonna be interesting to see what each of them say. But yeah, xtina played ONE part of the game really well, but I also have mad respect for a good social/strategic game too which I feel she kind of lacked
I know I always had a great social relationship with Christina.
Sounds like, considering all the stuff going down at tribal, she may have just given up on even talking to people much because they just kept going against anything she suggested and possibly built up animosity.
If you really are trying to play honestly with people and they just keep “shitting” on you, would you care much about talking to them?
That’s my thoughts on Christina and her social part. She was great socially, we all saw that early. Then it sounds like that fell away due to shitty alliances.
Maybe the others (not Chrissy and Patrick) can provide some highlight to their social experience?

Simone will definitely need to lay out a pretty solid description to convince me she did a lot. Certainly not much visibility on it.

Kim has been a butterfly more visible, if she makes it.

Ryan is Ryan. I don’t know what he will say but I’m kind of excited for that possibility to read it.
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My social experience with Christina was a little mixed, but overall positive. We talked a decent amount and she made me feel like she was actually listening, not just feeding me lines or trying to make me feel relevant. She was almost always honest with me, except when she thought I had betrayed her at the last tribal when I got voted out. I was voting with her that night but of course Kim found a way to manipulate her into thinking I had flipped on her. My problem with her was that everytime we talked about making a move she would panic and ruin it. One time we had this great plan to blindside Kim and she was so sure people were voting her, even though literally everyone was too scared to do it, that she wanted to make this big scene at tribal. It ended up just confusing the rest of her alliance who stopped trusting her as much and really led to them wanting to turn on her or not tell her as much for fear it would get blurted out at any given moment. Also, she put way too much trust in Kim
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i think im not gunna vote sim1 out of spite, thouoghts???
i think i am going to vote my girl simone. i would love to see her win, she played behind the scenes- she may not have won challenges, but she was consistently on the right side of the vote and played a respectable low key game. plus she was great to talk to. she knew what was going on in the game more so than christina. thoughts?
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i think im not gunna vote sim1 out of spite, thouoghts???
i think i am going to vote my girl simone. i would love to see her win, she played behind the scenes- she may not have won challenges, but she was consistently on the right side of the vote and played a respectable low key game. plus she was great to talk to. she knew what was going on in the game more so than christina. thoughts?
honestly every time I messaged Simone she never responded to me, she was only interested in talking to the people that she was close with/were on the top. Playing from the bottom most of the game, I can say that a big part of a social game is communicating with the other side in order to make a move if you have to. Simone didnt communicate with anyone and she didn't make a move. I think I have a higher chance of voting Ryan than voting her
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Cole wrote:
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:57:02 pm
i think im not gunna vote sim1 out of spite, thouoghts???
i think i am going to vote my girl simone. i would love to see her win, she played behind the scenes- she may not have won challenges, but she was consistently on the right side of the vote and played a respectable low key game. plus she was great to talk to. she knew what was going on in the game more so than christina. thoughts?
I’ve got an an open mind to Simone.
You and Patrick having the closest ties to her pre-boot, was she “playing” or was she more of a loyal number?
Just following what you and Patrick said or did she push a vote or two?
Being on the right side ‘can’ be luck as much as playing well.
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Simone was involved for sure. It was mainly her and Kim that lulled christina into a false sense of security when we blindsided ali. She wasn't super active but she was smart and she knew where she stood in relation to everyone else which is the most important part of the game imo. Not everyone has the ability to play the christina game being loud and out the front and I truly believe given her time restrictions and lack of challenge prowess Sim1 played the best game she could.
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Simone was involved for sure. It was mainly her and Kim that lulled christina into a false sense of security when we blindsided ali. She wasn't super active but she was smart and she knew where she stood in relation to everyone else which is the most important part of the game imo. Not everyone has the ability to play the christina game being loud and out the front and I truly believe given her time restrictions and lack of challenge prowess Sim1 played the best game she could.
Yeah. Seems like her job has really put a hindrance to how she could play. This is good insight.
I like it.
I'm looking forward to her opening statement. Curious to get more from her.
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I get the vibe Christina was just kind of gowing with the flow. Idk I feel like she just kind of let the game happen in a way. It doesn't make sense to me that she let Kim/even Simone go this far, but she took out people like Roark earlier. I feel like if she was truly playing the strategic side, threats like Simone and Kim wouldn't be sitting anywhere close to her. That's just me tho I could be way off base
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The problem with Simone is that she wouldn’t message unless she felt like she was working with you or needed you. I always got that vibe from her.
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Jonas wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:09:19 am
Cole wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:57:28 am
Patrick wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:57:02 pm
i think im not gunna vote sim1 out of spite, thouoghts???
i think i am going to vote my girl simone. i would love to see her win, she played behind the scenes- she may not have won challenges, but she was consistently on the right side of the vote and played a respectable low key game. plus she was great to talk to. she knew what was going on in the game more so than christina. thoughts?
I’ve got an an open mind to Simone.
You and Patrick having the closest ties to her pre-boot, was she “playing” or was she more of a loyal number?
Just following what you and Patrick said or did she push a vote or two?
Being on the right side ‘can’ be luck as much as playing well.
I would say both- she didn't necessarily push to vote a certain person out, but she helped strategize and come up with plans for who would be the best person to take out moving forward, and looking at all angles, how it would impact our game as a solid unit. She was loyal, and never divulged any plans to anyone. And like Patrick said, she did a good job lulling Christina to make her think that she was safe with her. At one point, Matt didn't even realize that Simone was working closely with Patrick and I, I think he was under the impression that it was Simone/Roark/Christina? Which at that point was in our favor, because she was in the pocket of a lot of people from the other side. She also voted for Patrick, with made her seem neutral to everyone else- instead of adamantly defending her allies and putting the target / spotlight on herself. She played a WAAAAAYYYYYY better game than Ryan- please don't vote for Ryan over Simone. Although she wasn't the most talkative, she definitely knew what she was doing and was always on the right side of the vote. As Patrick said, I think her work definitely influenced her game quite a bit. There were a lot of times that she didn't get back to me for hours, and we were working together closely. I don't think it was a personal thing if she didn't respond- I think she was just busy. I agree with you though Matt, you need to take into consideration all potential members of the jury, and go out of your way to speak to everyone and at least form some type of bond / relationship- atleast Simone was authentic, unlike Repugnant Ryan. Maybe I have a skewed view because of the fact that I worked with her and saw what she did- she played a much different game than Christina, despite Simone not winning every fucking immunity, she was highly involved in the behind the scenes aspect, which is tough & why she was being so hard on herself. :( Ryan's game is the worst of the worst. His entire shtick is "don't u want 2 c the jury roast me lulz" I mean, c'mon... have some fucking dignity, dude. That's just plain pathetic. His entire game has been pathetic. The only vote he deserves is being Stranded's biggest goat in the history of the game.
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I get the vibe Christina was just kind of gowing with the flow. Idk I feel like she just kind of let the game happen in a way. It doesn't make sense to me that she let Kim/even Simone go this far, but she took out people like Roark earlier. I feel like if she was truly playing the strategic side, threats like Simone and Kim wouldn't be sitting anywhere close to her. That's just me tho I could be way off base
A counter mindset to this, if Christina was being truthful in tribal, she wanted to take people to the end that she felt deserved it.
She hasn't seemed to be playing the "take out every single threat as fast and as hard as possible" game, but instead was trying to get a good, solid alliance with a few, good people that she wanted to see to the end with herself, people she felt were also playing a good game.
Again, if her words are to be believed, then this seemed to be her intent until Kim and Simone were throwing out words indicating they didn't 'really' care for working with her.
It's certainly a different strategy. I don't know that it's a bad one, though. It's a respectable one. Get pitted against the best and may the best win. Especially when you aren't playing for a million dollars, I can really respect that over trying to get out your best competition to give yourself as easy a win as possible.
This makes her approach still strategic, but in a different way. The strategy is to get the "threats" to the end, rather than get rid of them. In that regard, Simone and Kim still being here could be a testament to that (the Matt vote not withstanding as that's where they sort of fell off and Christina got the impression that they weren't actually trying to work with her at all).

In a game where most everyone tries to thrive off of backstabbing literally everyone eventually and dragging along the "weak", it's nice to see someone wanting a legitimate challenge. Then knowing that everyone else would just vote her off because they didn't want to have a challenge at the end but wanted it to be as easy as possible, she worked and performed incredibly well to get those immunities.

This is how I'm seeing Christina's game (up until the "betrayal") purely based on challenges and tribals. Opening statements may indicate this to be completely false.
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The problem with Simone is that she wouldn’t message unless she felt like she was working with you or needed you. I always got that vibe from her.
Simone literally only talked to me right before tribals and pretended she didn't know how to vote for to see if I would give her a name, I think trying to make me think she wasnt working for a particular side. It seems like she did this to lots of people and it was successful because a lot of people didn't realize just how close she was to Kim. Like Matt and Christina always thought she would be willing to work with us, but I didn't think she would ever vote Kim
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The problem with Simone is that she wouldn’t message unless she felt like she was working with you or needed you. I always got that vibe from her.
Simone literally only talked to me right before tribals and pretended she didn't know how to vote for to see if I would give her a name, I think trying to make me think she wasnt working for a particular side. It seems like she did this to lots of people and it was successful because a lot of people didn't realize just how close she was to Kim. Like Matt and Christina always thought she would be willing to work with us, but I didn't think she would ever vote Kim
She did this to me too
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So, Kim got two lucky breaks. The tie vote where Cole forgot to vote...and, when Ryan foolishly gave up his spot to compete. Doubt I’m voting for her.
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So, Kim got two lucky breaks. The tie vote where Cole forgot to vote...and, when Ryan foolishly gave up his spot to compete. Doubt I’m voting for her.
Same. But who knows maybe she'll surprise me
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"Once we got to tribal council and the way Ryan had been acting, I was unsure if he would really vote Matt, so I voted for Patrick to blend in with the vote. Turns out we both had that gut feeling and we both decided to make that split decision at the last moment. "

What? This is the dumbest shit ever so she did it just to "blend in with the vote" ? what does this mean? It was so obvious ryan was voting matt after matt and roark said outright they were never trusting ryan again thats why i said i wasnt voting for ryan so hed work with us. I thought they got me out because I was a threat if they just did it to blend in thats a horrific misjudgement considering we would have won 4-3 if they had stuck to the plan? that is a real downside to sim1s game tbh
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"Once we got to tribal council and the way Ryan had been acting, I was unsure if he would really vote Matt, so I voted for Patrick to blend in with the vote. Turns out we both had that gut feeling and we both decided to make that split decision at the last moment. "

What? This is the dumbest shit ever so she did it just to "blend in with the vote" ? what does this mean? It was so obvious ryan was voting matt after matt and roark said outright they were never trusting ryan again thats why i said i wasnt voting for ryan so hed work with us. I thought they got me out because I was a threat if they just did it to blend in thats a horrific misjudgement considering we would have won 4-3 if they had stuck to the plan? that is a real downside to sim1s game tbh
I was curious about that too. Idk if it's just me but a lot of what she said seem to be a huge contradiction. She says that she had a great social game and was a key player, but like every vote she sites wasn't actually her idea it was just what other people wanted and she got other people to do it
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JONAS I need your insight cause I'm curious.

If Alan had at least shown up for challenges, would you and Leif have gone with our plan to vote out Julie? I always wondered if y'all were being real or not.
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